was gonna say youre too harsh. then i remembered the last 4 i tried all 404d. nvm youre right

我珍藏的归零币里 有八成当年都是有demo的 而且做得很漂亮 所以demo这玩意 真不能当护身符 不过我懂你的意思 连demo都没有的那是真离谱 笑死

i was firmly team whitepaper-is-fine but you broke me 😅 tried two demos today and both crashed on the first click. converted

yep. no demo no talk

numbers get faked too tho. ive seen benchmark screenshots that were just localhost with one request

new rule: if your demo button is a google form youre out 🚪💀

ok fine youre right that a fake demo is worse than fake numbers. at least numbers i can try to reproduce. take it back a bit

genuine q, when you say throughput what would actually convince you? sustained req/s under load or just a one off bench? most people post the easy one

counterpoint, a demo just proves they can hardcode a happy path. ive shipped fake demos myself. dont trust em more than decks

苛刻了 好项目早期就是没demo 你这标准把认真做事的也一起骂了

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本来想反驳你 说画饼也是一种愿景 结果今天去试了三个 全是502 行你赢了 我改口 没demo真别发了

建议平台加个按钮 没demo直接打回 自动回复 你先跑起来再说话 哈哈

yeah i was gonna push back but i just tried a couple from the list and one straight up returned an error page. ok point taken

demo button that opens a calendly. peak innovation

idk man some of the best infra ive used had zero demo for ages. demos are for apps. some of this stuff is plumbing you cant really click

a working demo and a working product are not the same thing. dont conflate them

real question, where do you even find the demos for these. half the time the link is in a discord pin somewhere i never see

thought you were being a hater. checked the three i bookmarked. all dead. you win

discovery getting fixed for the 9th time this quarter. truly groundbreaking. agree with you, demo or shut up

i was gonna defend the deck warriors out of spite. then one of them dm'd me a pitch with a stock photo of a server room. ok you win

再说一遍 不是所有没demo的都是骗子 有些是真在埋头写 别一棍子打死

agree. demo or its vapor

the deck always has that one slide thats just a rocket emoji and the word velocity lol

本来觉得你太极端 后来想想 我自己也是看了三个demo全挂才不投的 行 同意你 先跑起来再吹

i came in to argue that judging everything by demos is unfair to infra teams, and i still half believe that. but you made me actually go look at the discovery-specific ones and theyre genuinely all decks. so for this niche, fine, youre right. broader point i still hold

imagine demoing a load balancer lol. heres a video of nothing visibly happening, please ape

demo能跑也不代表赚钱 太多能跑的废物了

i used to defend the deck stage. then i watched three of them ghost after raising. youre right, ship something runnable first

demo proves it runs once. doesnt prove it runs at scale. you can fake stability too

fair but whats the bar for a demo here. does a hosted endpoint count or do you need a UI? half these are infra not apps

and like is there a list anywhere of which subnets actually have something you can poke at. would save me hours

demos lie. ive seen plenty that fall over the second you send real traffic. proves nothing

hard agree. a clickable demo tells me more than a whitepaper ever will

NO. a demo means NOTHING if it cant survive load 🙄 ive seen the prettiest demos die at 5 concurrent users

问下 你们说的demo是要能跑通整个流程 还是有个api能调就行 这两个差距挺大的吧

started reading this ready to disagree, was like give early teams a break. but yeah the discovery space specifically is just decks. you got me

whats your bar for working tho. one good request or does it need to hold up

ok joke aside you actually changed my mind, i used to give pre-demo teams a pass. not anymore after this thread

started out thinking you were too cynical here. but i went and tried to use a few from this weeks list and yeah. mostly dead links. changed my read

this. so tired of slide decks

and honestly the ones with real demos rarely brag the loudest. the loud ones are always the empty ones

ok after digging i agree with you. found maybe 2 with real working demos out of like 15. thats grim

eh i think youre throwing the baby out. early stuff wont have polished demos. some good teams build quietly for months before anything works

本来想喷你太苛刻 后来翻了下最近几个新subnet的demo 确实一个能跑的都没有 你说得对 收回